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"The consequences of violence" - Vietnam.

Postby BenJy! on Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:23 pm

Huỳnh Công Út (a.k.a. Nick Ut) - The Consequences of Violence and Not Questioning Authority. Alan Downes & Joe McNally. The Cranberries - Zombie
Posted December 9, 2007

Photo by Huỳnh Công Út (a.k.a. Nick Ut).

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” . . . an editor at the AP rejected the photo of Kim Phuc running down the road without clothing because it showed frontal nudity. Pictures of nudes of all ages and sexes, and especially frontal views were an absolute no-no at the Associated Press in 1972 . . . Horst argued by telex with the New York head-office that an exception must be made, with the compromise that no close-up of the girl Kim Phuc alone would be transmitted. The New York photo editor, Hal Buell, agreed that the news value of the photograph overrode any reservations about nudity. ” - Nick Ut

The above photo won the Pulitzer Prize in 1973 for Spot Photography. It is a photo that can be admired and evaluated on many levels:

On one level, it is a photo of Vietnamese children running, burned and injured from the recent napalm attack in the background. Kim Phuc, the girl most strikingly running naked in the street has been burned severely on her back and left arm.

The photo is known by at least 3 well known titles: “Terror of War,” “Vietnam Napalm,” and “Children Fleeing an American Napalm Strike.” All the titles invite multiple, different, and worthwhile interpretations of the image.

I want to emphasize I have shown the photo in its original composition. Often the photo is shown in a detail cropping that more centers on Kim Phuc (Phan Thi Kim Phúc). I think it’s valuable to notice that Nick Ut did not bulls-eye focus his composition on the young girl. Instead, compositionally the image is focused on ALL the children moving away from the destruction, both the Vietnamese children and the young soldiers.

The US soldiers appear somewhat haphazard and numb to the normality of violence. Compared to modern military body armor and gear, they also appear comparatively naked (less garmented and less protected).

I think when the US population studied this photo, they saw it not so much as one more horrific photo of the cruelty of the Vietnam War - I think they also saw it as a symbol of many people on both sides of the conflict moving away from the destructive actions. It didn’t matter what side of the ideological debates you were on, the photo suggested that things were going on that were wrong from any point of view.

The young Vietnamese children in the photo reveal their fears honestly. It’s interesting to me, the older soldiers in the photo appear to have become conditioned and jaded. Some have described the soldiers as indifferent, but I think that is inaccurate. Many US citizens, learning how severely Kim Phuc was burned, may have looked at the photo and thought, “Why are the soldiers not moving toward her to attend to her?” But as the pictures below show, that inference would have been incorrect.

Also at this scene was British cameraman Alan Downes, who recorded American soldiers immediately thereafter attending to Kim Phuc’s wounds and giving her water:

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A video clip of the Alan Downes’ ITN footage can be found on YouTube here. I caution that the below video also sadly and tragically shows a more severely burned infant being carried away from the same napalm attack:





Here is a photo of Kim Phuc with her son many years later:

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© Joe McNally.

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I created this post to remind everyone of the realities of war that most of us do not have to regularly face. There is usually compassion and cruelty on both sides of almost every military action.

I want to remind people of the horrors that young soldiers are asked to endure incessantly both during their tours of duty and to carry with them in their unforgetting memories for the rest of their lives.

It did not surprise me when it was recently reported that 1 in 4 homeless people in the United States are Veterans. At a time when young men and women should be learning advanced critical thinking skills and methods of evaluating sources of authority, they are instead conditioned to focus on being proud, being an army of one, and being strong. When young men and women should be learning social negotiation skills, they are instead given more consistent positive feedback for following orders without questioning them. Soldiers are sometimes taught that to be loyal and subservient to a commanding soldier is a better ethical and moral position than to evaluate the quality of the orders or to notoriously question the orders they are given. I have trouble with militant priorities.

And I am empathetic to Veterans because many of them should have received better social training during that crucial formative time in their cognitive development. I don’t think we, as human beings, are mentally able to effectively handle the irreconcilable contradictions too many soldiers must face and live with the rest of their lives. My praise to all the mental health professionals working with Veterans of all nations to cope with these issues that no one, regardless of their level of education and training, could capably or easily reconcile.


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Re: "The consequences of violence" - Vietnam.

Postby ShoTz on Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:54 pm

Don't know what you want people to say?

Many photos in vietnam have been taken out of context.

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This caused a media frenzy in America in the late 60's, front page of the time magazine (i think) viewed as an innocent VC supporter shot randomly in the head by a south vietnamese policeman durin the tet offensive in saigon. This photo was symbolic of the war. Focusing on the corrupt nature of the vietnamese regime under diem and each leader.

in context that man was a leader of a north vietnamese assianation squad who had raped and tortured the policemans child. yet this wasnt revealed to the american public.


Ive been to vietnam, spent 2 months there, you can still see the affects of the war now. they set up like service-station-esque shops at the side of the road where vietnamese woman/children work and make goods, often for tourist. All of these women/kids were affected by the agent orange/agent blue that the americans plastered accross the countryside. It was stomach-churning, horrible to see how the war was still hugely affecting the lives of many people there now.

the relentless american attack was horrid, in operation rolling thunder, that was johnsons policy to stop the goods flowing along the ho-chi-ming trail from china, loas and cambodia. they dropped more tonnes of bombs in operation rolling thunder than the whole of the second war. but what could they bomb? there wasnt huge infrastructure there were villages.

the US support for johnson when this was going on rocketed. they liked what was going on, agreed with it in the fear of communism. yet when the body bags started returning from the thousands that died, they lost support for the war. people returning who had previously been seen as heroes, were now booed, not given the respect they deserved for their service.

the study of vietnam from the late 50's into vietnamisation and nixon's policies in se asia is amazing. so many events/people/heroes.


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Re: "The consequences of violence" - Vietnam.

Postby Mr Tortoise on Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:04 pm

shocking that you have photos of such horrific situations yet we feel the need to put black lines accross them because that will make them ok to view.

(not that i want to take this off topic, but i thought 'oh look a censored image' before i figured out what it was an image of - which annoyed me)


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Re: "The consequences of violence" - Vietnam.

Postby EWJ on Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:42 am

its a picture of a young female...therefore the paedos of this world will dl'd it and keep it... :roll: Again Pc gone mad...
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Re: "The consequences of violence" - Vietnam.

Postby Little_Devil on Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:37 am

Recognised the image at first glance, so knew what it was about.
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