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Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:36 am
by Mohsin
Just watched this film a friend sent me.

its called 'earthlings' and is narrated by joaquin phoenix, with music composed by moby.

i never knew this sort of stuff happened, its a shocking and sad movie

full movie was uploaded to youtube if anyone wants to check it out ~






" Peter Singer, best known for his book Animal Liberation states, "if I could make everyone in the world see one film, I'd make them see Earthlings" and Tom Regan, "for those who watch Earthlings, the world will never be the same."

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:19 am
by Wombat
The reason why I am a vegetarian...

In my opinion, everyone should see this. Too many people choose to live in ignorance... :(

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:24 am
by Cotillion
I couldn't agree more with you Wombat. my reason to. for being a vegetarian...

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:13 pm
by MotsMan
I would say that what was shown in the video is a minority and that the majority of animals whether they are killed for food or whatever are killed quickly and humanely. So just because of what was shown in the video shouldn't change you into becoming a vegetarian. Becoming a vegetarian should be for the reason that you can't live with taking an animal's life in order to feed you. I do however believe that more regulation is needed in how animals are killed and raised for food, clothes and other things & that the police should be given greater powers to deal with the criminals that do the things shown in the video.

I would also ask, you say that you become a vegetarian for the reasons shown in the video but do you still own leather clothes and other items where an animal was killed to obtain it/ test it.

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:33 pm
by MrsSekhmet
This really makes me cry..

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:18 am
by Kuukijz
Most of the things there were already known -.- And while things like this do happen, I wouldn't call this video informative, it's feels more like propaganda, but then again, I guess that was their goal.

And MotsMan there are already ton of regulations for animal farms/slaughterhouses in more or less advanced countries, but many choose to ignore them.

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:33 am
by Liquid
Sort of related, I thought this was pretty interesting, if you refuse to eat or use things that involve parts of a cow in some way it would be a very difficult and awkward life as a great many things come from cows.

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Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:44 am
by EWJ
I have to say 1 thing.. we do worse things to other humans.

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:08 pm
by Wombat
EWJ wrote:I have to say 1 thing.. we do worse things to other humans.


I'm not sure about that. We also do horrible things to humans, but for animals we regrettably have different standards...

MotsMan wrote:I would say that what was shown in the video is a minority and that the majority of animals whether they are killed for food or whatever are killed quickly and humanely.


I'm sorry but this is not true. The video shows the worst cases, ofcourse. But unfortunately cruelty is the standard, not the exception.

I'm not telling anyone to become vegetarian, that's peoples own choice. I do think people should know the truth about how animals are threated and the video unfortunately comes closer to the truth than what you picture Motsman... :(

What reasons people have to become vegetarian is of their concern alone, so your argument about leather clothing has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Wombz

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:35 pm
by Mohsin
likewise, i haven't become a vegetarian.

but i do think this is widespread, behind closed doors [or in labs, where we dont know how many medical experiments are going on, and how many animals are used .. im guessing lots of animals have suffered and died in legal and illegal experiments ... being given the status of 'legal' doesn't make it morally right] or even like a pet owner who gets home and takes their anger out on their pets ... yes scum.

but definitely around the rest of the world, where animals have no rights or protection at all, and can be treated however the owner wishes to treat them.

humans are definitely capable of doing worse things to both animals and humans, especially if they consider one particular group 'sub human' or worth less than animals. both have been treated equally badly throughout history, animals of course on a much larger scale.

its all part of the circle of life. we are omnivores, and we are designed to eat meat and veg. hence our incisors and that humans have needed to eat meat to provide essential vitamins, which would not have been obtained from a strictly veg diet, and which without would lead to serious illnesses, diseases and possible death.

i also do not believe affording animals the same rights as humans is plausible.

what i do believe, is that we should either treat [domesticated - cats, dogs .. / farmyard] animals well, or leave them alone in the wild where they belong [ie. no exotic pets, no circuses]

and by well, i mean that we don't value the life of the animal when we take it, because we dont take the life ourselves .. which is a shame, i think taking an animals life, preparing it for food, and eating it would make an individual appreciate the life it has taken.

and the best methods should be sought, implemented and enforced by law in terms of how to kill the animals with the least amount of pain and distress caused to the animals. as quick a death as possible, and while the animal is calm.

i dont think being in a slaughterhouse with filthy pools of blood everywhere, squashed up with other animals, and hearing the distress of those getting thrown in the grinder is the best system really

i understand why it is done though, to quickly make the mass product quickly and efficiently, saving on time and cost and ship it out. but it isnt morally right.

but i do believe that the current laws for mistreatment of animals are just a slap on the wrist. i remember reading on the bbc news a story where a woman got a couple of months community service for torturing animals.

the sentencing guidelines need to be open to have a much more serious maximum sentence [not community service ...], so that people do think twice before harming an animal, and fear being locked up.

and for the point mentioned earlier, police investigators should be given more freedom and resources to go undercover and expose this type of crime, also respectable animal groups who have their own investigations and teams i think .. well im sure they already do work together, but more can always be done.

i do believe certain animals were put here for a purpose by God to help mankind (cows, sheep, goats ..) clothes, shoes, food, pack animals, transport .. and now i am aware, and appreciate that sacrifice.

i myself was brought up and taught in my faith certain animals were put here for our consumption, and use. and to have respect for them and appreciate the sacrifice and gift they give us, their life for us to survive.

some quotes from Muhammad on the treatment of animals ~

"Whoever is kind to the creatures of God is kind to himself."

he opposed recreational hunting saying: "whoever shoots at a living creature for sport is cursed."

"A woman punished her cat by imprisoning it until it died of hunger and because of it, she entered the Fire. [i.e. she went to hell] It was said and God knows best: 'You did not feed it nor give it water when you imprisoned it nor did you release it and let it eat from the plants of the earth."

"A prostitute was forgiven by God, because passing by a panting dog near a well and seeing that the dog was about to die of thirst, she took off her shoe, and tying it with her head-cover she drew out some water for it. So, God forgave her because of that."


im also interested to see from other religious figures [from other faiths] what they had to say on the treatment of animals, if anyone can help me with that. would be nice to know, thanks.

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:47 pm
by Cotillion
You know what the problem is with this pro vs against veggie is: Most 'against veggie' feel that they have to convince the veggie to eat meat and if he/she choices not to well you also have no right to wear leather shoes or what so ever.

Well, I don't eat meat, i do wear leather shoes and other stuff made by products from animals. Consider this though, i can wear a pair of shoes far longer then i can eat a amount of meat of the same proportion that was necessary for the leather (not the same weight because that would be a little unfair to the meateaters ;) ). You can safe a lot of wasted energy to by not eating meat. Don't know if anybody is on subject with the saving energy by not eating meat but i could run my car all year from a fraction of the energy i safe by not eating meat :P.

And if animals are put here by god for us to consume we should tread them with the respect they deserve. Not putting them in bioindustryplants we tend to call farms.

Please do not confuse the fact that i'm against the wat we tread the animals with that i'm against eating meat. If i had a nice land i would probably keep my own animals and would sometimes slaughter one for special occasions. The animals would have had a good and full life with lots of space and good healthy food and care.

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:36 pm
by MakeNine
I won't watch the video because that kind of stuff really pisses me off and it's unbearable to watch. I already saw a video recently showing dogs being skinned alive and boiled in bags in China. I'm not a vegetarian and I'm comfortable with the fact that we are predators, but unnecessary cruelty is revolting. As EWJ says, we have done this people on a mass scale throughout history, so it's not really surprising is it?

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:56 pm
by Gh0st.IRE
MakeNine wrote:I won't watch the video because that kind of stuff really pisses me off and it's unbearable to watch. I already saw a video recently showing dogs being skinned alive and boiled in bags in China. I'm not a vegetarian and I'm comfortable with the fact that we are predators, but unnecessary cruelty is revolting. As EWJ says, we have done this people on a mass scale throughout history, so it's not really surprising is it?

+1

I'll continue to eat meat, that doesn't mean I condone any form of animal cruelty.

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:48 am
by Deadbolt
Didn't watch the video as it's nearly 5am and I've already watched a long one on slaughterhouses which probably covers some of the same things. I will just say that as long as the most efficient process is used(ie minimum cost, maximum production), I don't care how cruel it is.

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:27 am
by MakeNine
Deadbolt wrote:Didn't watch the video as it's nearly 5am and I've already watched a long one on slaughterhouses which probably covers some of the same things. I will just say that as long as the most efficient process is used(ie minimum cost, maximum production), I don't care how cruel it is.


Why is efficiency important to you?

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:12 pm
by Binerexis
This film brought to you in association with PETA, The Vegan Alliance and the "We like animals more than humans" Foundation.

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:43 am
by Deadbolt
MakeNine wrote:
Deadbolt wrote:Didn't watch the video as it's nearly 5am and I've already watched a long one on slaughterhouses which probably covers some of the same things. I will just say that as long as the most efficient process is used(ie minimum cost, maximum production), I don't care how cruel it is.


Why is efficiency important to you?


They are bred to be used as products. That's all they are to me. I would not sacrifice efficiency for less cruelty.

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:16 pm
by SupaSharpShoota
Deadbolt wrote:
MakeNine wrote:
Deadbolt wrote:Didn't watch the video as it's nearly 5am and I've already watched a long one on slaughterhouses which probably covers some of the same things. I will just say that as long as the most efficient process is used(ie minimum cost, maximum production), I don't care how cruel it is.


Why is efficiency important to you?


They are bred to be used as products. That's all they are to me. I would not sacrifice efficiency for less cruelty.


I will not sacrifice honesty for forum etiquette - you evil bastard.

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:28 pm
by Wombat
SupaSharpShoota wrote:I will not sacrifice honesty for forum etiquette - you evil bastard.


lol!

and +1

Re: Animal Cruelty Movie

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:32 pm
by Binerexis
Topics like this make me really, really hungry for veal.