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Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Binerexis on Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:35 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076

So then, what do you guys and gals think of this? All I know is that I got angry enough to make a video about it and break down the parliamentary transcript.






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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby re# Skilgannon on Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:37 pm

I think its an inspired way for the Government to compile a list of those who view porn, either via an "opt in" choice or the signing of an online petition to object against it!

as someone who doesn't watch it then it really doesn't bother me either way and my son's profile on both his own PC and mine has strict parental controls on it anyway
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Binerexis on Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:56 pm

Thing is, why do the government want to compile that list? Are they going to start enforcing moral laws or something?
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Berath on Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:01 pm

I just love the way it's almost impossible to object without seeming in favour of child porn, rape porn or basically sticking a great big badge on saying 'yes, I watch porn'.
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby sweetamber92 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:08 pm

There's no way they can enforce it without blocking the entire internet as things which can be considered as porn are everywhere.
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Security on Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:09 pm

This is just another excuse to sensor the general public, they always use children and terrorism as scapegoats to implement things like this.
Now it is porn, next it will be violence or political views they do not like and before you know it it's a permanent filter and you have the British version of the great firewall of China.

Big companies and governments all over the world have been at this for some years now to censor the internet but in small enough steps the general population does not care enough to fight back.
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Berath on Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:16 pm

Well small enough steps, or as I said, in a way that makes it difficult to object.
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Binerexis on Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:28 pm

Berath wrote:I just love the way it's almost impossible to object without seeming in favour of child porn, rape porn or basically sticking a great big badge on saying 'yes, I watch porn'.


I think the people who retort "You're in favour of child abuse/violent porn" are people who just don't really understand the argument. That badge idea isn't bad, though. Can it say "Yes, I watch porn. Yes, I smoke. Yes, I drink alcohol. Yes, I vote. Yes, I'm an adult who can decide what I look at"? That badge would encompass the main reasons why this idea of censoring the internet in the name of the children is such a TERRIBLE idea. In terms of a badge saying "Yes, I watch porn", that's not something to be ashamed or worried about. A LOT of people watch porn. Some people watch a lot of it, some don't. Some prefer pictures to video. Some prefer erotic literature. However, so long as those people watching porn are over 18, it's all perfectly legal.
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby I Blame my Mother on Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:36 pm

Berath wrote:I just love the way it's almost impossible to object without seeming in favour of child porn, rape porn or basically sticking a great big badge on saying 'yes, I watch porn'.


*sticks badge on chest* And I take notes too :wink:
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Berath on Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:07 pm

Unfortunately it's easy for us to say that....we're the 'little' people. I'm not talking about us.

Less easy for politicians etc, the ones with influence, to stand there and make the same announcement. You'd be a brave MP to stand there with your loving wife and family around you....assuming you're male. Interestingly...it might be easier for a female politician to get away with it.

And Bin...it is ridiculous and hypocritical but when we're talking politics, so often it's all down to appearances, easy answers, sound bites. No politician, especially the married ones, watches porn ( :roll: )
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Kaelan002 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:51 pm

Will be entertaining to see how they approach one of the great philosophical questions... what IS porn?

Let alone the logistical side - will there be a new government department, with employees being paid purely to sit in a chair all day watching assessing porn?
Can we send in recommendations, or appeal certain rulings?
How will this extend to art, and certain religious painting?

Obviously somewhat sarcastic, but it will be interesting to see how they actually try to implement this.

EDIT: Oh...they are doing it via keyword recognition. Well that's boring. :(
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Sylar on Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:49 pm

Surely we need to stop the children from BEING the porn? I don't care if my 12yr old looks at porn.

The government are idiots - they teach sex education to 8yr olds in school!


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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Binerexis on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:00 pm

Teaching sex education won't turn children into sex crazed maniacs wanting to get into porn. If anything, so long as it's taught properly, it'll let the children clear their heads of any schoolyard misconceptions about sex, teach them about consent, teach them about what to do if someone touches you inappropriately and also teach them that it doesn't matter what sexuality you identify with.


Of course, this is coming from someone who has been told to "wake up from your hyper liberal socialist utopia delusion" so hey, what do I know.
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Enigma on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:28 pm

It's obviously a Tory plan to boost the economy by increasing porn DVD sales. More sold DVDs > more dosh from taxes > better economy. Ungrateful bastards, you should be kissing Cameron's feet for this master plan. <3
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Aceo on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:42 pm

Sylar wrote:Surely we need to stop the children from BEING the porn? I don't care if my 12yr old looks at porn.

The government are idiots - they teach sex education to 8yr olds in school!



Much more Sex Education would solve more of the problems than censoring all internet Porn.


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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby The Sinner on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:55 pm

The thin end of the wedge.

Blocking websites is censorship, it doesn't matter what content is available through the site. This applies to all websites regardless of illegality.
If a website is discovered to be making illegal content available it should not be blocked. It should be shutdown as soon as is possible.
There is a problem with this though. The Internet is global and what is legal in one jurisdiction may a carry a death penalty in another.
The Internet cannot be policed. It can only be censored.

Many extremist governments currently censor the Internet. They want to protect their citizens from content that is illegal according to laws that the majority of those citizens support and offensive to the culture of those same citizens. This maintains a status quo. No one thinks, no one gets new ideas, no one crticises, the culture is safe, static, closed and unchanging. Knowledge and progress is static and unchanging.

Freedom of information is dangerous not only to the the consumer of illegal content, in the form of punishment for consuming. It is also a threat to the Status Quo. People in ignorance without critical thinking live in static societies that are very slow changing. When those people are exposed to ideas and information from others in less restrictive, less static societies, societies with critical thinkers and they start to think outside of their culture, beyond their peer set boundaries and indoctrination, they start to criticise and want change, they see it as progress or a new freedom.

When compared to those extremist governments that currently censor the Internet, the UK has been pretty much free of it.
The UK prior to this law censored illegal sites through Internet watch: http://www.iwf.org.uk/.
People would hopefully report illegal content and it would be blocked.

With this new law real censorship begins. Sites will no longer be blocked only because they provide illegal content, they will be blocked if they are found using "abhorrent search terms".
Now who decides what is abhorrent? Somebody who has lived and survived the school of hard knocks or someone that has been pampered and protected from suffering and "bad influences", someone who cannot think beyond their own indoctrination? And how does the algorithm that detects "abhorrent search terms" decide that you were searching for what is genuinely abhorrent and not because it appears so from the words involved?

Then there is mission creep which search terms next and for who's reasons?

This is also unworkable and so easily bypassed as to be pointless political gesturing as far as protecting children and the vulnerable. As a method of censorship introduced under the guise of distasteful porn filtering, censorship becomes acceptable and the norm. The UK gov want to maintain the status quo, restrict your access to information, stop critical thinking and take us back to a middle aged static society. We will cease to progress if we cannot share information and through criticism of that information gain truthful knowledge, no matter how abhorrent that information might be..... to someone.


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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby The Sinner on Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:34 pm

Sylar wrote:I don't care if my 12yr old looks at porn.


I think you should care Sylar, unless your 12yr old knows what love is and the difference between making love and fucking.
Most of the stuff out there is fucking, women are treated like shit and appear, do or pretend to enjoy it.
I wouldn't want my child regardless of their sex to confuse the two.

If there is no confusion then there is no problem.
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby re# Skilgannon on Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:43 pm

my lad is 13 soon and I wouldn't let him watch it and I WOULD care if I found out he had!

just to note as well

allowing a minor to watch Porn is classed as child abuse
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby Enigma on Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:51 pm

re# Skilgannon wrote:my lad is 13 soon and I wouldn't let him watch it and I WOULD care if I found out he had!

just to note as well

allowing a minor to watch Porn is classed as child abuse
Is it. In that case I was abused since I was 8 years old because I used to watch erotic movies at 1 am. I also saw first porn magazine when I was like 5, still remember asking my grandma why is that woman eating that man's you know what. 19 years later I'm fairly normal when it comes to sexuality and mental health.
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Re: Censorship Online to protect the children

Postby FunkySpider on Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:17 pm

Am I the only one seeing the hyprocrisy here?
This is being spearheaded by a Conservative government who has talked loudly of personal responsibility, certainly when it comes to much more serious issues like unemployment. The unemployed need to take personal responsibility for their position.
Fair enough, but what about the personal responsibility of the parents who are kicking up such a fuss about online porn? Why are they not being told to take personal responsibility for their family and install filters themselves?
This stuff isn't rocket science it's really simple! There are pages on the ofcom website that tells parents how to do this stuff.
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