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Postby Deathtaker27 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:24 pm

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GoodBytes wrote:Hello everyone,

This is a reminder that this is the last day to get Windows 8 Pro Upgrade is Jan 31st. If you don't have the time now to upgrade to it, I would suggest to purchase it now, and later upgrade your system to it at your best convenient.

This is the last day for:
-> Purchasing Windows 8 Pro Upgrade for 40$ / £25.
-> Getting for Windows 8 Pro Windows Media Center + its codec pack (includes DVD playback ability) for free.


Remember, that you need a genuine, activated, OEM or RETAIL (UPGRADE included) license of Windows XP, Vista or 7 or any editions or versions (32/64-bit) to be eligible for Windows 8 Pro upgrade offer.

You have until February 28 to:
-> Upgrading Windows 7 PC purchase between June 2nd and January 31st, to get Windows 8 Pro for 15$ / £15.




Windows 8 Pro Upgrade offer:
[indent]US: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/buy
UK: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/buy
Canada: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows/buy[/indent]



Media Center + Codec pack (includes DVD playback codec) for Windows 8 Pro (free):
[indent]US: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/feature-packs
UK: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/feature-packs
Canada: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows-8/feature-packs[/indent]



PC with Windows 7 to 8 upgrade offer:
[indent]US: http://windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US/Home/ProgramInfo
UK: http://windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US/Home/ProgramInfo
Canada: http://windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-CA/Home/ProgramInfo[/indent]


Hurry and get it while you can.
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Ger-h on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:55 pm

Why would you upgrade to windows 8 :scratch:
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Flare on Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:55 pm

Lol MS must be getting desperate to flog that rubbish...

They need to sell it so they can get their ' I want to be Apple ' store up and running.

I couldnt even back out the page, it refused to go back to this page when I clicked the back button, kept on reloading the offer page... wouldnt imagine MS needing to hijack web browsers would you.
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Kaelan002 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:56 pm

Flare wrote:Lol MS must be getting desperate to flog that rubbish...

They need to sell it so they can get their ' I want to be Apple ' store up and running.

I couldnt even back out the page, it refused to go back to this page when I clicked the back button, kept on reloading the offer page... wouldnt imagine MS needing to hijack web browsers would you.


Have YOU actually used windows 8 personally? Or just doing a Gabe? :)
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Security on Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:06 pm

Actually MS is selling it for those prices just like Apple because people are doing more and more within there browser instead making the OS less and less relevant over time, so anyone that they can grab is a future customer especially with the build in app stores.

The general expectation is that only people like gamers and "geeks" will really care about what OS there running, the general public will just go to wherever they have bought there apps that they do not want to re-buy (hence the push from Apple, Google and MS to integrate there phone stores in a desktop OS).


As for the pro's and cons of Windows 8 I believe we already discussed that here, so no reason to restart it in this thread.
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby coldandtired on Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:42 pm

Windows 8 is good stuff. The store has a couple of quirks (which may or may not change in the future) but as the desktop experience is already improved with or without the store it's a solid upgrade.
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Flare on Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:49 pm

So ... when do you protest ?

When the majority of users are happy with the store, and the developers need to pay MS to get software in the store ?
When the store ends up being the only way to get software on a MS OS PC ?

MS doesnt want the PC to compete against its consoles.
When was last hardcore MS title on the PC ? Why didnt Halo make it there ? Why doesnt MS update DirectX (last update I believe was in 18/04/2011) ?
MS does want to sell apps like Apple does, and it will want the same control over the store... like Apple.
Its obvious that it wont allow developers to bypass the store forever.

Win8 is the lure to get the users into the store, Win9 will then be the lock on the open development scene when MS requires all software to go via the store... and it wont be for free.

I aint saying MS is evil , its not ... its a business, and it makes sense business wise.
MS cant drop PC's as the none game side is still very lucrative especially the business software side (server and Office) but it doesnt have the control over the game side like it does with the 360, yet a game PC is competition.
Imagine 2 competing shop brands (ASDA, Tesco's whatever) ... imagine if one of those had control over the other brands supply chain... they would be stupid not to use that control to kill off the competition.
Thats the state of the PC , MS would be stupid not to gain control of PC gaming... either make it like a console (need to pay MS to put games and updates onto the PC) or remove it as a full game platform (make it only play apps and F2P games... specialised market).

Go on ... explain why I am wrong and what I said can never happen. I would love to be reassured honestly.
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Shuriken on Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:01 pm

The publicity alone would destroy their OS sales forever
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Kaelan002 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:01 pm

So you pay £99 USD a year. This gets you a platform that will

-host your product
-list your product
-provide access to your product to every consumer running windows 8, regardless of hardware. (ie. ARM)

-Allow you to push an update to every consumer running your product, through official MS channels.
-Seamlessly integrate your product with the OS. (think charms bar)
-Provide system wide "toast" notifications to the user. (instead of the mess that was taskbar balloons)

What's not to like? No one is forcing devs to use it, its a optional resource, not a constraint.
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby coldandtired on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:09 pm

It's only $49 a year for individuals.

It's not quite seamless integration as it's a lot of work to add stuff like charms to a project (nothing difficult but there are lots of little things that need to be done to make a Store app function as expected).
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Kaelan002 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:36 pm

I agree, it's a pain in the arse to set up, but once you do it works like a charm (heh). Saying that, it would be a heck of a lot more work to replicate the same functionality without it.

Regards to being store compliant, again I agree. Sure there are some *inconvenient* regulations, and metro as a whole is a bit of a pain*, but in the end its the trade off to having a (relatively) crap free store.

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coldandtired wrote:It's only $49 a year for individuals.


Its also free for students, or $8 if you signed up before the OS launched.
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Flare on Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:29 pm

Still not assured...

All I read is its not bad, you can work around it, it needs some getting used to... but no assurance about my concerns.
( MS making the PC a 360 / 720 console , or a app / f2p title only machine )

Host your product : fine - but a free host site does the job as well, and for small titles / indies its good enough.
List your product : Where ? Ask the indies in XBLA how they like the listing system... all drowning in a murky pool of shovel ware.
Hardware limitations wont vanish just because a PC can run Win8 ... or will MS force developers to limit the technical aspect of the software so it will run on a Win8 PC ?

How is this better than now ? Currently I can make a silly game, host it on some free file host site and pass the links to friends and forums I am in... players can simply extract the files and play, delete the directory when they had enough. I dont pay nothing for my hobby beyond study material and standard connection / PC related expenses.

Finally, when the store becomes the norm for users, what stops MS from making the store the ONLY way for devs to add software ? The vast majority of users wont care about developer problems, and the devs will have to comply in order to access the customer base... many indies dont like the XBLA system on the 360 but have to use it to release 360 titles, patches cost a fortune to deploy (something like $42 000 for Fez patches IIRC).
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby coldandtired on Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:43 pm

Flare wrote:How is this better than now ? Currently I can make a silly game, host it on some free file host site and pass the links to friends and forums I am in... players can simply extract the files and play, delete the directory when they had enough. I dont pay nothing for my hobby beyond study material and standard connection / PC related expenses.

You still can do this. Alternatively, if you want to try and monetize your game it's become very easy. It's also possible (with the company licence) to advertise a desktop program on the store as well so it isn't limited to little apps.

From everything I've experienced as a user and a dev, the store is a win. Many of the nifty little apps I have on my phone or tablet I now have (or equivalent) on my PC. But it's not intrusive at all, and I still spend almost all my time in desktop mode like before. The few apps I'm in the middle of writing will work on the desktop, tablets, and Windows phones with minimal changes and without needing to release three separate versions.

The worry that is often mentioned is that the Store will become the only avenue to getting software on the PC but I can't see that happening for a number of reasons.
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Kaelan002 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:56 pm

Flare wrote:Host your product : fine - but a free host site does the job as well, and for small titles / indies its good enough.
List your product : Where ? Ask the indies in XBLA how they like the listing system... all drowning in a murky pool of shovel ware.
Hardware limitations wont vanish just because a PC can run Win8 ... or will MS force developers to limit the technical aspect of the software so it will run on a Win8 PC ?


Your not thinking like a consumer!
Your average consumer has enough trouble installing ms-word, they aren't going to go actively looking for software unless they really need it, and certainly aren't going to go trawling through github, codeplex, sourceforge etc. Now having stuff presented to them in a shiny "app" store, which is built into the OS, on the other hand - they just click a button and there you go, they are using your product. The same system they are already comfortable and familiar with from mobile systems.

It's all about making your product accessible, you want it to be available to as many people as possible. Having it in an app store which is on every consumer's device does that, having it "on the internet", doesn't.

Not quite sure what you mean by that last line. The store is for general applications and simple indie "games", not Crysis. What I was referring to was the one size fits all aspect. The same build will run on any hardware that runs 8, which is all hardware.

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Edit: On that last note. IF you do have a resource hungry application, you can declare it such in the store, and it will only be listen to the users with the required hardware. Currently this is limited to RAM and Dx level, but there were talks of adding more.
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Flare on Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:41 pm

coldandtired wrote:The worry that is often mentioned is that the Store will become the only avenue to getting software on the PC but I can't see that happening for a number of reasons.


Would be interested in seeing those reasons.... while I can see a lot of benefits to MS for doing so.


Kaelan002 wrote:Your not thinking like a consumer!
Your average consumer has enough trouble installing ms-word, they aren't going to go actively looking for software unless they really need it, and certainly aren't going to go trawling through github, codeplex, sourceforge etc. Now having stuff presented to them in a shiny "app" store, which is built into the OS, on the other hand - they just click a button and there you go, they are using your product. The same system they are already comfortable and familiar with from mobile systems.


I am thinking like a consumer, that is where I see the problem to the devs.
As you say , consumers like convenience and dont really care about how the app got there or what the devs have to do to get it there... so if only the devs have issues with the OS the vast majority of MS customers will not be effected (at least they wont see any issue immediately).
The devs however will be forced to follow the customers (or code for a extremely limited none MS OS bases).
Thats why Linux and other free OS packs dont have much of a base, because the customers cant be arsed to deal with the hassle of a complicated OS... so the devs cant / wont code for those OS's as the market is too tiny.

Take Steam... often the costs of the games on there are higher than say Game UK... but you have to wait for the game to arrive or go fetch it from the store, but on Steam you can buy and download it as soon as it becomes available.
Convenience is very popular with the vast majority of the PC user base.

Unfortunately there isnt much that can be done, when the issue become apparent it will of become the norm and its pointless to piss against the wind.
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Kaelan002 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:58 pm

Flare wrote:
The devs however will be forced to follow the customers (or code for a extremely limited none MS OS bases).
Thats why Linux and other free OS packs dont have much of a base, because the customers cant be arsed to deal with the hassle of a complicated OS... so the devs cant / wont code for those OS's as the market is too tiny.



Which, going full circle, is why MS is offering the upgrade so cheaply. Given time for the marketing department to do its work (their ad campaign is brilliant), people will upgrade to 8.
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Deathtaker27 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:07 pm

Considering this thread is about the upgrade offer, and the media offer, Im suprised how off topic this thread has gone.

Microsoft love the idea of a open system, where Software can be installed from anywhere, they will not be changing the system due to the pressure they have from both the large companies, the SMBs and VIPs, if they change in a way that these companies do not like, they will lose the majority of their income. Yes consumers put a fair bit of money, but it is the VLs and subscriptions that bring in the real money
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Re: Windows 8 Pro promotion >> Jan 31st day <<

Postby Little_Devil on Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:42 pm

Went off topic, but left in place as an information thread only
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