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My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC ) *Updated* 25/10/13

Postby Atomicfire on Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:22 am

hi all
just want to share my project that i got going, this is for gaming and game design stuff that im currently learning and finishing my course on
so here the first lot of pic's just click them to get a full view

Antec Midi Case Lanboy Air - Blue
MSI Z77A-GD65 Motherboard
Scythe Kaze Q-12 Channel Fan Controller 5.25 Black
16GB (4x4GB) Corsair Vengeance Blue 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 Dual/Quad Channel Kit
Corsair CMPSU-1050HX Professional Series
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Started building my system in the ketchen,
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here it is just finished with out the graphics card and water cooling which im getting soon next to my old system which is the first I7 920 series
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running on stock coolers for not its sitting nearly at 4.2

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this is it for now untill i get my graphics card and water cooling kit, as well chaining the Aerocool RS12 Carbon Fiber Blue Edition Fan - 120mm to the Aerocool Shark Blue Edition LED Fan 120mm so they fit in my case ><

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Aerocool RS12 Carbon Fiber Blue Edition Fan - 120mm [EN55321] x7 - £55.93
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Corsair CMPSU-1050HX Professional Series - £165.50
to these
Aerocool Shark Blue Edition LED Fan - 120mm
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Cooler Master Silent Pro Modular 2 1000w '80 Plus Silver' Modular Power Supply
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here a 30sec clip of the tower for now here a 30 sec clip of the tower - http://twitpic.com/c654sc


EDIT 03/03/13

Not Sure if i want to go with a kit or any buy every thing sperated

this is wot im thinking

XSPC X20 750 Bay \ pump or D5 Bay \ pump
XSPC RayStorm CPU WaterBlock (Intel)
XSPC Razor 7970 GPU Waterblock (Raystorm Style)
XSPC Universal Memory Waterblock and RAM Spreaders
Mayhems Pastel - Blueberry Blue Coolant 1L


EDIT 2
also ive done two test with ArmA2 and kept an eye on otheir videos on my new buuild here http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... 3J8y2GnJtH

also pic's are here gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1988

ive made my mind up will go for a high end performace kit from overclokers which is the EK-KIT H3O 360 LTX Performance Watercooling Kit


EDIT3
ive ordered my water cooling kit + graphics block ill be getting them next week after the bank holiday

EK-KIT H3O 360 LTX Performance Watercooling Kit
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprod ... =WC-171-EK
EK Water Blocks EK-FC7970 Lightning - Acetal+Nickel
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprod ... =WC-234-EK


EDIT 15/04/13
EDIT 4
im going to mod the case with the following 3x120mm Fan Radiator Shroud, Black from koolance if its got the ight dimentens http://koolance.com/3-x-120mm-fan-radiator-shroud-black

Also overclockers uk dont say the EK Water Blocks EK-FC7970 Lightning - Acetal+Nickel Block so ive went for the EK Water Blocks EK-FC7970 - Nickel Acetal CSQ http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... catid=1520


EDIT5
if any 1 has problems viewing the iamges ive posted ive uploaded them here
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EDIT6
updated 25/04/13

ive currently doing my first PC mod
here some pic;s its not finshed yet but i would say it 90% done all i need is to bolt on stuff on the top and start fitting the water cooling kit, been a couple of hickups along the way but i think ive sorted it out now
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jsut 1 thing to ask dos any 1 know wot type of paint the Case has cos i wanting to re paint once im done


update 26/04/13
Edit7
just finish my case off this morinng before i gone to workwill post pic once i gey in

Edit 8
here it is ive spary paint it back to match the top and

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Also cut these corner part to fit too which i forgot to post about
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EDI
Update
ive got some more fans to replace stock fans on the Ek raditor and custom fan grills to go on top here pic's

[url="http://images.ukcs.net/13516/fan5[1].jpg"][img]http://images.ukcs.net/13516/normal_fan5[1].jpg[/img][/url]
[url="http://images.ukcs.net/13516/fan4[1].jpg"][img]http://images.ukcs.net/13516/normal_fan4[1].jpg[/img][/url]
[url="http://images.ukcs.net/13516/fan3[1].jpg"][img]http://images.ukcs.net/13516/normal_fan3[1].jpg[/img][/url]
[url="http://images.ukcs.net/13516/fan2[1].jpg"][img]http://images.ukcs.net/13516/normal_fan2[1].jpg[/img][/url]
[url="http://images.ukcs.net/13516/fan1[1].jpg"][img]http://images.ukcs.net/13516/normal_fan1[1].jpg[/img][/url]

Fans grills are made and ordered from mnpctech.com


here a vid

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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Phoenicia on Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:58 pm

Very nice sir. It looks great.
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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby S t e f f |DK| |UKCS| on Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:30 pm

Very nice setup you've got there :P

What CPU are you putting in? (I think I see a i7 2600k?)

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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Atomicfire on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:43 am

Phoenicia wrote:Very nice sir. It looks great.

thanks alot jsut need a nice MSI 7970 and water cooling kit now

S t e f f |DK| |UKCS| wrote:Very nice setup you've got there :P

What CPU are you putting in? (I think I see a i7 2600k?)

Oh and I've moved it to PC World, Technology and Gadgets (left a shadow behind :D )


the CPU is I7 3770K and will post a vid up shortly once i get all my fans installed this week and thanks for moving the topic cos i though i would be an off topic instead of PC world

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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Little_Devil on Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:21 pm

Looks very nice, and must have cost a fortune :D

I am contemplating liquid cooling for my new system, but want to explore all avenues first, and ofc cost would be a huge factor.

Edited your chip to read 3770K instead of 37770K :D

I will be using either the AMD A10-5800K (Trinity) or FX-8350, which are both cheaper than the 3770 but are faster, with a higher thermal output, so liquid cooling would be a bonus.
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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Atomicfire on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:15 pm

Little_Devil wrote:Looks very nice, and must have cost a fortune :D

I am contemplating liquid cooling for my new system, but want to explore all avenues first, and ofc cost would be a huge factor.

Edited your chip to read 3770K instead of 37770K :D

I will be using either the AMD A10-5800K (Trinity) or FX-8350, which are both cheaper than the 3770 but are faster, with a higher thermal output, so liquid cooling would be a bonus.


thanks for the editing the post

and yes all this will cost me around £1600 + water cooling , the CPU is alot faster for overclocking than amd at the moment
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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Little_Devil on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:32 pm

I would presume you are overclocking to the roughly 4.5GHz maximum, not seen what sort of temperatures you would get with that on a stock cooler, but would imagine the liquid cooling to keep it well down on temperature. :)

I don't know where you got the info about the AMD, since the 8350 will overclock to 5GHz with water cooling apparently. Fastest I have seen in review is 4.8GHz, but apparently the liquid cooling was very noisy. Temperatures were around 36 degrees under load.

Personally I am not looking at extreme cooling for heavy load, just as quiet as possible. :)
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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Atomicfire on Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:13 am

overclocking at stock atm @ 4.2 had no problems at all, i could get up to 5 on water cooling and im jsut going by wot ive read on some forums that do over clocking with the same cpu
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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby sNaKeBiTe on Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:41 am

Little_Devil wrote:I would presume you are overclocking to the roughly 4.5GHz maximum, not seen what sort of temperatures you would get with that on a stock cooler, but would imagine the liquid cooling to keep it well down on temperature. :)

I don't know where you got the info about the AMD, since the 8350 will overclock to 5GHz with water cooling apparently. Fastest I have seen in review is 4.8GHz, but apparently the liquid cooling was very noisy. Temperatures were around 36 degrees under load.

Personally I am not looking at extreme cooling for heavy load, just as quiet as possible. :)

AMD MHz are not the same as Intel MHz. Clock for clock Intel is much faster than AMD. AMD only makes up for that by putting lots of "cores" on the chips. In heavily multithreaded applications (the minority, really) this puts them more or less on one level with the 4-core Intels, but the energy consumption (and therefore heat output) is quite a bit higher than on Intel chips. Source
Crysis 3 for example is a game that makes quite good use of more cores, but not many other games do. That's why, right now, Intel gets you the best performance in games. I expect that to change in the future, but I'm certain that there will still be quite a few games that can't make use of 8 cores. Hyperthreading, too, doesn't make much of a difference in games.
From a price perspective the 8350 packs quite punch for ~140£, but don't forget to factor in the additional energy it uses over Intel. As it outputs more heat you also need more cooling or the fans ramp up faster. So if you only care about noise, I would definitely go with Intel.

Back to topic: nice project :cheers: I'd be concerned that a single 240 rad is not enough, but I googled it and saw that it is quite thick so it might be ok.


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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Atomicfire on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:06 am

sNaKeBiTe wrote:
Little_Devil wrote:I would presume you are overclocking to the roughly 4.5GHz maximum, not seen what sort of temperatures you would get with that on a stock cooler, but would imagine the liquid cooling to keep it well down on temperature. :)

I don't know where you got the info about the AMD, since the 8350 will overclock to 5GHz with water cooling apparently. Fastest I have seen in review is 4.8GHz, but apparently the liquid cooling was very noisy. Temperatures were around 36 degrees under load.

Personally I am not looking at extreme cooling for heavy load, just as quiet as possible. :)

AMD MHz are not the same as Intel MHz. Clock for clock Intel is much faster than AMD. AMD only makes up for that by putting lots of "cores" on the chips. In heavily multithreaded applications (the minority, really) this puts them more or less on one level with the 4-core Intels, but the energy consumption (and therefore heat output) is quite a bit higher than on Intel chips. Source
Crysis 3 for example is a game that makes quite good use of more cores, but not many other games do. That's why, right now, Intel gets you the best performance in games. I expect that to change in the future, but I'm certain that there will still be quite a few games that can't make use of 8 cores. Hyperthreading, too, doesn't make much of a difference in games.
From a price perspective the 8350 packs quite punch for ~140£, but don't forget to factor in the additional energy it uses over Intel. As it outputs more heat you also need more cooling or the fans ramp up faster. So if you only care about noise, I would definitely go with Intel.

Back to topic: nice project :cheers: I'd be concerned that a single 240 rad is not enough, but I googled it and saw that it is quite thick so it might be ok.


wow thanks for the link thats given me more infor, for the radiator i could get EK-KIT H3O 360 is a bit more but its lenth to long and the EK-KIT H3O 240 HFX High is dauled radiator but ill have to leave the water cooling stuff to last cos im running my system atm with out a GPU jsut on board which im happy with atm cos i play most of the games on normal settings with out any problem


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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Deathtaker27 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:11 pm

anyone interested in watercooling read this first to give yourself a good idea:

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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Little_Devil on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:47 pm

sNaKeBiTe wrote:AMD MHz are not the same as Intel MHz. Clock for clock Intel is much faster than AMD. AMD only makes up for that by putting lots of "cores" on the chips. In heavily multithreaded applications (the minority, really) this puts them more or less on one level with the 4-core Intels, but the energy consumption (and therefore heat output) is quite a bit higher than on Intel chips. Source
Crysis 3 for example is a game that makes quite good use of more cores, but not many other games do. That's why, right now, Intel gets you the best performance in games. I expect that to change in the future, but I'm certain that there will still be quite a few games that can't make use of 8 cores. Hyperthreading, too, doesn't make much of a difference in games.
From a price perspective the 8350 packs quite punch for ~140£, but don't forget to factor in the additional energy it uses over Intel. As it outputs more heat you also need more cooling or the fans ramp up faster. So if you only care about noise, I would definitely go with Intel.

Sorry but saying AMD MHz is not the same as Intel MHz lol MHz is Mhz, you are trying to say the ipc (instructions per clock cycle) is more for the Intel than it is for the AMD, which is blatantly untrue for the latest CPU's and is variable for all CPU's regardless. Figures touted for both Intel and the 8350 is around 3.5 ipc. btw Crysis under live tests, and depending on CPU graphics only, Intel faired a lot worse, being half the speed of the 8350. p.s. AMD FX8350 125 deg C full load temp, which is not much different to my present Intel. I agree it would take a good cooler which is why I am looking at different alternatives.


Back on topic, like I said I want quiet rather than pure power, so do look at the alternatives, or a mixture of ways of cooling the entire system. I suppose you have to have a starting point, in as much as you firstly determine what sort of usage you will be putting the computer to. I must try out the full immersion technique at some point, since pure water is non-conductive it would just require a decent tank to immerse it in with a good water pump :P

Since you are overclocking, then I presume you would need extensive cooling of all the major components, not forgetting the PSU. I have a coolermaster PSU, and it kicks out more noise than every other fan including the case fans on low speed. RAM of course is directly related to the speed so I would presume would need adequate cooling.
I was looking at this for the CPU

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http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=706 ... 102&lan=uk
Price is around £75 but you can get the cheaper versions, which are priced on par with a decent fan cooler.

I wouldn't have minded trying out one of these, since we are talking about zero noise, but the price is prohibitive (£79) giving you can buy the Antec for less, and ofc it only does a max of 85 deg TDP
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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Atomicfire on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:32 pm

Deathtaker27 wrote:anyone interested in watercooling read this first to give yourself a good idea:

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=201254

thanks for the topic

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sNaKeBiTe wrote:AMD MHz are not the same as Intel MHz. Clock for clock Intel is much faster than AMD. AMD only makes up for that by putting lots of "cores" on the chips. In heavily multithreaded applications (the minority, really) this puts them more or less on one level with the 4-core Intels, but the energy consumption (and therefore heat output) is quite a bit higher than on Intel chips. Source
Crysis 3 for example is a game that makes quite good use of more cores, but not many other games do. That's why, right now, Intel gets you the best performance in games. I expect that to change in the future, but I'm certain that there will still be quite a few games that can't make use of 8 cores. Hyperthreading, too, doesn't make much of a difference in games.


From a price perspective the 8350 packs quite punch for ~140£, but don't forget to factor in the additional energy it uses over Intel. As it outputs more heat you also need more cooling or the fans ramp up faster. So if you only care about noise, I would definitely go with Intel.

Sorry but saying AMD MHz is not the same as Intel MHz lol MHz is Mhz, you are trying to say the ipc (instructions per clock cycle) is more for the Intel than it is for the AMD, which is blatantly untrue for the latest CPU's and is variable for all CPU's regardless. Figures touted for both Intel and the 8350 is around 3.5 ipc. btw Crysis under live tests, and depending on CPU graphics only, Intel faired a lot worse, being half the speed of the 8350. p.s. AMD FX8350 125 deg C full load temp, which is not much different to my present Intel. I agree it would take a good cooler which is why I am looking at different alternatives

Since you are overclocking, then I presume you would need extensive cooling of all the major components, not forgetting the PSU. I have a coolermaster PSU, and it kicks out more noise than every other fan including the case fans on low speed. RAM of course is directly related to the speed so I would presume would need adequate cooling.
I was looking at this for the CPU

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http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=706 ... 102&lan=uk
Price is around £75 but you can get the cheaper versions, which are priced on par with a decent fan cooler.

I wouldn't have minded trying out one of these, since we are talking about zero noise, but the price is prohibitive (£79) giving you can buy the Antec for less, and ofc it only does a max of 85 deg TDP
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http://quietpc.co.uk/nof-icepipe

http://www.zalman.com/global/product/Ca ... me=Cooling

http://quietpc.co.uk/watercooling


I know what you mean mate but it going just over £1600 on this build but for now I'm looking I to the cooling kits for in my replay above for now cos still learning on how to do stuff also still got my pc over clocked at 3.8 just on the CPU with corsair h50 on my new build it's going to be a lot
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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Little_Devil on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:41 pm

I agree, and if I was unsure of what to do myself, I would more than likely go for a kit to be on the safe side :D
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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Atomicfire on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:46 pm

Little_Devil wrote:I agree, and if I was unsure of what to do myself, I would more than likely go for a kit to be on the safe side :D

at least some one else has got the same idea lol
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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Atomicfire on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:58 pm

Little_Devil wrote:I agree, and if I was unsure of what to do myself, I would more than likely go for a kit to be on the safe side :D

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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby sNaKeBiTe on Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:38 pm

Little_Devil wrote:Sorry but saying AMD MHz is not the same as Intel MHz lol MHz is Mhz, you are trying to say the ipc (instructions per clock cycle) is more for the Intel than it is for the AMD, which is blatantly untrue for the latest CPU's and is variable for all CPU's regardless. Figures touted for both Intel and the 8350 is around 3.5 ipc.

You are right, of course MHz is MHz. I tried to dumb it down a bit so everyone can understand it. I only said it because you said AMDs 8350 overclocked to 5GHz and Intels 3770k only to 4.5GHz, and therefore AMD is faster. But you can't make that assumption. It depends very much on what application you are running. In single threaded applications a 3570k is faster than a 8350 Source
Multi-threaded applications will most likely run better on an 8350.
That said, the general consensus** is that many games on the market today are not very optimized for multithreading and do not make full use of the 8350s 8 cores and thus Intel is faster.Source Source Source Source

Crysis 3 seems to be different in that regard. It looks like an 8350 is a little better/on par with a 3770k, which is amazing performance for the money.Source Source

**I say general because all the major websites got these results when it was launched. Only recently, Logan from tek syndicate got some results that have the 8350 beat Intel in the majority of the games he tested. However, this is the first time I see such results so I'm still a little careful. He also used some kind of retracted windows patch, so I don't know. We'll have to wait and see. Source

Little_Devil wrote:Crysis under live tests, and depending on CPU graphics only, Intel faired a lot worse, being half the speed of the 8350

First, I am not talking about integrated graphics. The AMD APUs (A-series) pretty much dominate that field. I am talking about a gaming pc with a dedicated graphics card because if you are thinking about watercooling, you definitly have the money for an entry level graphics card which will perform better.
Secondly, the FX series doesn't even have integrated graphics.

Little_Devil wrote:I must try out the full immersion technique at some point, since pure water is non-conductive it would just require a decent tank to immerse it in with a good water pump

Do not use water! In theory deionized water is non conductive, but in practice it will quickly gather ions and will short out your pc. However, you can use mineral oil, but it's a mess, it will kill your cables and you pretty much can't use those components outside of oil again. Video about an oil cooled rig


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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Little_Devil on Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:36 pm

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Little_Devil wrote:Crysis under live tests, and depending on CPU graphics only, Intel faired a lot worse, being half the speed of the 8350

First, I am not talking about integrated graphics. The AMD APUs (A-series) pretty much dominate that field. I am talking about a gaming pc with a dedicated graphics card because if you are thinking about watercooling, you definitly have the money for an entry level graphics card which will perform better.
Secondly, the FX series doesn't even have integrated graphics.

I did not mention the A series, there are of course tests which benchmark the CPU's capabilities in rendering a picture to the screen, 3D Mark does have a CPU rendering benchmark. I said nothing about the 8350 having intergrated graphics, just the CPU's capabilities, being far superior in a like for like test.
P.S. I never look at fan boy sites like Tom's hardware, since they have shown in the past to be Intel biased.

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Little_Devil wrote:I must try out the full immersion technique at some point, since pure water is non-conductive it would just require a decent tank to immerse it in with a good water pump

Do not use water! In theory deionized water is non conductive, but in practice it will quickly gather ions and will short out your pc. However, you can use mineral oil, but it's a mess, it will kill your cables and you pretty much can't use those components outside of oil again. Video about an oil cooled rig

Sorry I said pure water which is none conductive (tested), de-ionised water is not pure, just de-ionised :) impurities still exist in de-ionised water.
I do however see your point, but none the less, when I said I would like to try it out, it certainly would not be on a new computer, just a test rig to see how far I could push it :P
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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby gandy on Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:49 pm

I use a H100 closed loop on my cpu, while i run my i5-3570K at 4.2ghz with the temps i get i could probably push 4.8ghz with some fine tuning and the fans on high :)

de-lidding the Ivybridge cpu's can really bring down the temps as intel used cheap thermal gunk on them but if you decide to de-lid then you should follow the guides out there as you cant really use normal thermal paste

here is a guide
http://forum.avsim.net/topic/387006-ivy ... ing-guide/

Flight simmers tend to have some of the most hard core overclockers out there :)

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Re: My Project Lan ( Frist Water cooled PC )

Postby Atomicfire on Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:28 am

gandy wrote:I use a H100 closed loop on my cpu, while i run my i5-3570K at 4.2ghz with the temps i get i could probably push 4.8ghz with some fine tuning and the fans on high :)

de-lidding the Ivybridge cpu's can really bring down the temps as intel used cheap thermal gunk on them but if you decide to de-lid then you should follow the guides out there as you cant really use normal thermal paste

here is a guide
http://forum.avsim.net/topic/387006-ivy ... ing-guide/

Flight simmers tend to have some of the most hard core overclockers out there :)

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