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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby Salva on Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:03 pm

1.4.2 big changes were emp AOE was reduced so that helps toss, they also reduced the cost of all the weapon, armour and shield upgrades for toss :)

if you have any questions or need advice theres plenty of people hear that can offer advice or play some games with you or even watch you play and offer tips that way
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby KAL-EL on Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:18 pm

cheers salva, ill take you up on that. Ive tried to watch youtube clips etc. But its the hotkeys and shortcuts i need to master lol.
Ill post my game id so you can add me in game think its KalEl *305

But i like protoss and terran, i want to master protoss as at the time they were the weakest would you say?
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby Deadbolt on Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:12 pm

I think I've sunk back down to bronze level :(
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby n0rd on Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:13 pm

Dreamhack atm. dreamhack.tv
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby BenJy! on Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:45 pm

Glad someone else is watching, got Day9s and Artosis dual streaming.
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby Salva on Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:57 am

KAL-EL wrote:cheers salva, ill take you up on that. Ive tried to watch youtube clips etc. But its the hotkeys and shortcuts i need to master lol.
Ill post my game id so you can add me in game think its KalEl *305

But i like protoss and terran, i want to master protoss as at the time they were the weakest would you say?



user does not exist when i try to add that name and cc

i wouldn't say protoss is weak, its all about play style, maybe at master and grand master level there a fraction behind but lower levels it really shouldn't be noticeable, according to blizzard there should always be a rough +/- 5% win loss difference in the higher leagues, but as new tactics and plays are thought up things can change rapidly.

Day9 said it today during dreamhack that in the last few months protoss has went from the deathball race to more of a hit and run/poke race, which is causing alot of tactic changes, in a pvt instead of protoss having to play to the terrans calls the terran are now having to play to the toss is calls and pushes alot of the time.

w/l stats combining all leagues as of 11/11 below, seems protoss are doing quite well recently actually, where as terran are doing badly

NA – Global – 11/11
PvT: 59.8% - 40.2%
PvZ: 51.7% - 48.3%
TvZ: 50.3% - 49.7%


Korea – Global – 11/11
PvT: 57.0% - 43.0%
PvZ: 49.7% - 50.3%
TvZ: 54.2% - 45.8%


Europe - Global – 11/11
PvT: 51% - 49%
PvZ: 48.6% - 51.4%
TvZ: 54.2% - 47.8%

so of all non mirror match games
p winning 52.9%
z winning 50%
t winning 48.4




NA - Diamond
PvT: 55.3% - 44.7%
PvZ: 52.1% - 47.9%
TvZ: 48.4% - 51.6%

Korea - Diamond
PvT: 58% - 42%
PvZ: 43% - 57%
TvZ: 46.1% - 53.9%

Europe - Diamond
PvT: 48.3% - 56.7%
PvZ: 51.5% - 48.5%
TvZ: 51.4% - 48.6%

again of all non mirror match games
p winning 51.3%
z winning 51.25%
t winning 48.2%
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby BenJy! on Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:28 pm

Anyone watching GSL? Keeping a close eye on Leenock, he took MLG Providence so easily and he's now in the finals after beating MVP. What a game!
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby Salva on Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:01 pm

missed it will have to watch it on youtube, according to twitter it was an epic series.
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby AlexSeifer on Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:05 pm

Sigh, watching SC2 tournaments makes me feel sad. I see all those guys competing so hard and i'm scared of ladder >.<
I wish i should not slack so hard and become good at this game i like so much >.<
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby n0rd on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:51 am

did anyone watch the DH final? it was godlike! wp Hero!
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby AlexSeifer on Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:38 pm

It was an awesome final. I still don't know how Puma lost his battle on Antiga when he had the concave, the high ground and killed lots of Colossi. I should re watch the VoD to analyze wth happened there <.<
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby Blaze on Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:37 pm

Anyone got any finals vod links?
For like MLG/GSL/DH, or just even good games, not a SC2 player personally but as a watchable esport it's very exciting. Insane the amount I know about a game that I've never played, only watched.
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby Podge on Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:07 pm

Don't suppose anyone saw me on the main stage at DreamHack when HerO won, did they? :-P
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby n0rd on Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:58 pm

there you got it blaze :) http://day9.tv/archives/ (at least the dh finals)

Podge wrote:Don't suppose anyone saw me on the main stage at DreamHack when HerO won, did they? :-P

so you was there? if so I must also say that I was there and watched the HoN and SC2 finals :P
or did you mean that you are puma? ;)
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby Salva on Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:59 pm

standing behind the casters sofa by the booth podge?
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby Podge on Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:45 pm

Nope, I was there with friends and helping out the good folks at TeamLiquid. Had a press pass, so when HerO won, we bum rushed the stage :-D

I was the one with teh blue and white shirt and big ass camera ;)

It let me get photos like this ;-)

HerO's GG screen still frozen!
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby n0rd on Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:07 pm

oh that's awesome podge! and in that case Im kinda positive that I saw you :) I sat in the middle of row two on the second floor
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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby Deadbolt on Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:55 pm

Deadbolt wrote:I think I've sunk back down to bronze level :(


Ok so a few days after this I was playing about 60% golds and 40% top silver. Things were looking good. The weird thing was, the golds played like bronze. I saw mass ravens on one base combined with planetary fortress turtle (3 per mineral patch) all game, twice! I had a guy go double starport banshee and just keep sending banshees all game. Then I lost about 10 of my 15 games (usually against silver, I beat all the 'golds' easily) so now I'm playing silvers while I'm favoured :x Going to have a week off because it's been peeing me off a little.

The games I lose are ALWAYS those HERP DERP YOU DIDNT SCOUT MY BUILD builds. The thing that triggered my loss streak was some Zerg going muta from 1 base after I'd killed about 20 drones with an attack. I expected him to turtle and drone up because that's what. He was on 23 drones compared to my 48, and he went muta from that. I had a 2 or 3 minute window to just get another army and destroy him but I scouted the spire too late. Gas was the limiting factor for mutas for both of us, and since his spire was up first, he had the bigger number and map control. I just GGd out of frustration.

I'm trying to learn ling/muta for ZvP but I always lose the base race(which shouldnt happen apparently). I think I need to get some roaches before I show the mutas because as soon as they see them they attack. Even if I snipe the collosi the sheer amount of zealots and stalkers rip through my 70-80 2/0 lings Also trying to figure out how to make 15 hatch work in ZvZ. I win in a straight up macro game but at the beginning I nearly always lose if they just ling/roach all in. ZvT is ridiculously easy and I lol everytime I play it. I only use muta as a techswitch if we trade armies because by that point I have 5k/2k banked. In my losing streak I didn't play a single Terran, which is probably why my MMR sank so much.

But yeah, I don't feel like I'm too far from gold now, I just need to get that crucial 6-8min scout down. My macro is always better than my opponents :)

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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby Wizav on Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:16 am

Deadbolt for your ZvP do you get Adrenal glands for your lings? That turns them into killing machines against protoss


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Re: [PC - RTS] Starcraft 2

Postby Salva on Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:18 am

got a good base build for zvz going now worked well against 6 8 and 10 pool or any early 1 base aggression

14 pool
16 gas
16 queen
16 - 2 lings to scout
18 overlord
18 hatch
then just drone up get a second queen a spine at bottom of ramp and a baneling nest, don't bother with speed play defensive


place 2 queens on ramp to block it from run bys.

with a few lings and a few banes it's enough to hold any ling/bling mix off,

when they push snipe any banes with queens and spine, be sure to infuse spine as no doubt they will attack it, if need be trade banes for banes.

if they push with base roach just get ling, once youve held it off either drone and tech up as you'll be ahead or do a soft counter to do damage not to kill
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