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About DoD /rank.

Postby Poised on Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:43 am

DoDS is vastly different from CSS, and if rank is to be implemented, then mirroring that difference would be most welcome.
In DoD the object is to win flag games, some weapons like the sniper or MG can rack up a massive amount of kills, while flag cappers (assault+rifle) die endlessly to cap the flags and advance the attack.
Flag captures, and team wins should be rewarded handsomely, if a kill reward is 10 points, then a cap should be 100, a dual cap (2 man flags) should reward 200 to each capper, and a win should reward 100 to the team ..... those numbers are just thrown out to make a point, I dont know how to count the points fairly, but flag captures should yield a huge point reward.
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Postby BloodSpitter on Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:16 pm

100 for a flag capture? :shock: Although...to a certain extent that value does apply to the ukcs server....its hard to capture anything at all when you have 20 players trying to gun you down.
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Postby Cpt.Bobby on Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:28 pm

yea i have 2 agree with ya there poised it aint the same as CSS (where u mainly get points for killing ppl), DoD is more about capturing the flag as the main objective so u should really get lots of points, but maybe 100 points may be a bit 2 much.
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Postby KAL-EL on Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:36 pm

tbh, i dont think we should have a rank, youve seen what its done to the CS:S players :D

DoD will be much more enjoyable, without the ranks, as thats what every1 main game plan will be, ie i wanna be no1
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Postby EvolvedMonkey on Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:47 pm

KAL-EL wrote:tbh, i dont think we should have a rank, youve seen what its done to the CS:S players :D

DoD will be much more enjoyable, without the ranks, as thats what every1 main game plan will be, ie i wanna be no1


I agree. I think if there is any stats for DOD it should be on weapons only. Spade kills 4tw!
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Postby Poised on Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:10 pm

Rank could work out fine, as long as flag captures yield X times the amount a regular kill will, camping is fine in DoD, the one you kill will respawn with full knowledge of your position, but there is no reason to encourage it by making them /top players too hehe, flags ftw.

Or maybe only count flags for points,
1 cap = 100 per capper,
a dbl cap = 150 per capper,
a win = 100 points to entire team

That way the support roles would get their kills, but no glory, and the cappers would get their points, but quite possibly also a nasty kill ratio, everyone is happy, the supporters get their kills, and the flaggers get their glory :)

I dunno, but when the game runs, the capper is the hero, this should be reflected in the final rank somehow if at all possible :)
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Postby TC on Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:59 pm

Hmm, i was going to setup ranks this weekend.

How about kill points + bonus points for flag captures bit like you'd get for planting the bomb. I don't want to spend 4 months re-writing the rank system totally as there are higher priorities.


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Postby jp on Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:01 pm

there should b no points 4 kills tbh that is what ruined the orginal dod the main objective is capping flags kills r just a bonus in the orginal dod as soon as stats/rank come in no-one capped flags as they were all worried about there kpd ratio so just killed and never capped which is not the way the game is played. and i bet alot of ppl who played the orginal would agree kpd and rank killed off the gameplay off dod

edit y i suggest this is ukcs has always dne things diffrent with css and it has worked very very well. alot of dod:s servers already have ranks and they r just based on kills. play one and ur c how the gameplay is ruined. i think it would b cool if u got points 4 capping flags and maybe 1 point a kill and NO! kpd ratio


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Postby Poised on Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:23 pm

Yep +bonus for flag captures would work, but the size of the bonus must be serious, since the cost in rank for flagging is serious, you can get killed many times over trying to reach the 2 deepest NME flags.
I assume the flag bonus is some kind of variable, so if after a week of play the gameplay has suffered, then the flag variable can be raised accordingly, thats why I said 10 times, because capping flags is kinda hard, it could easily be 20 times the normal kill reward, and still be too little.
If it however was possible to reward the entire team upon winning, then it would seriously encourage the MGs and snipers to be supressing, instead of camping :)
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Postby The_Pope on Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:34 pm

why not jsut make the modifier for the MG really low and the rifle hihger?
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Postby revo on Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:32 pm

Tbh, i KNOW i would win the melee weapon award, mainly because i just rush out into huge groups of people and spade/ knife them all :D
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Postby TuPac on Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:45 pm

Set up this poll to try and get a clearer view of things -

http://forums.uk-cstrike.net/viewtopic. ... 215#118215
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Postby Firebreath on Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:47 pm

Well to be honest TC whatever you decide were all behind you, youv not let us down yet, so why would you now.

Do what you feel is best and use maybe some constructive critasisum to begin with ten we can all test the renk systm as if it were Beta, untill everything is just the way |UKCS| and TC like it.

This way you could do what primarily needs to be done (which is just implement the stats) and then use the following couple of weeks to fault find and see if the way its been done is fine or it needs some tweaks etc?
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Postby KAL-EL on Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:49 pm

TC wrote:Hmm, i was going to setup ranks this weekend.

How about kill points + bonus points for flag captures bit like you'd get for planting the bomb. I don't want to spend 4 months re-writing the rank system totally as there are higher priorities.


tbh TC, as the boss y dont u post a poll asking if we want ranks on DoD?
if yes then yes if no then no.

Me personally dont want ranks on DoD
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Postby TC on Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:07 pm

If people don't want to look at their rank, thats up to them though. For the people who are interested, they can look.

Its not really a question of whether there should be ranks or not.

I'll have to evolve the ranks over time anyhow. My starting point will be the source ranks, then convert it to DoD.

I could do with some help by getting some pictures of all the weapons the same size and format as the existing ones on the web page. Do a right click file save as... to save an example, then get me some DoD ones.

Anybody up for that?


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Postby revo on Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:08 pm

Do they have to be computer generated images from DoD?

But im sure its nothing that some good googling cant do.
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Postby LuckyNV on Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:16 pm

TC wrote:If people don't want to look at their rank, thats up to them though. For the people who are interested, they can look.

Its not really a question of whether there should be ranks or not.

I'll have to evolve the ranks over time anyhow. My starting point will be the source ranks, then convert it to DoD.

I could do with some help by getting some pictures of all the weapons the same size and format as the existing ones on the web page. Do a right click file save as... to save an example, then get me some DoD ones.

Anybody up for that?


I'll have a search sometime between 21:00 - 04:00 tonight, unless somebody does it before me.

edit - bloody heck, may take sometime to locate images, but revo may have found them already.
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Postby revo on Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:29 pm

Right heres what i got, its from the 1.6 version, but theyre the correct weapons i think for most of them.

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This is all i could find so far, i realise they will have to be edited and made smaller etc, but im a disgrace at editing pictures... but i hope this is a start. I think this is all the rifles in DoD...

I'll update if a find anymore.
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Postby jp on Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:32 pm

actualy they have played with the accuracy and damage a hell of a lot 4 source than the old dod i would try and find the source one but tbh i dont think there is one out just yet


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Postby revo on Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:36 pm

Yeah, but the thing is on the DoD stats, it wont be the stats of the weapon, it'll just be the weapon....

Thats why i said about the stuff being edited, as if you look at the other stats, its jus the weapon.
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