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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby alias on Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:44 pm

.CakeE wrote:Oh yeah, here a tip that's IMPORTANT. Might have been mentioned before. Anyway, when the AI tank picks up a rock to throw at you, you should ZIGZAG.

I repeat. ZIGZAG when the tank picks up a rock.

The AI tank calculates your movements by assuming you'll run continuously in one direction. Making simple zigzaggig movements throws off its aim completely. Try it!

Its still more recomended to take some cover. Zigzagging only works when you practice how to do it. The plain zigzag without correct timeing will still couse the rock to hit you.
.CakeE wrote:Also, to defeat an expert tank, just pick up a machinegun (uzi, m16) and retreat while shooting it. It slows down and you'll be relatively safe as it won't be able to catch up to you. You'll want something with a lot bullets because every bullet counts to slow him down (meanwhile, the shotty is remarkably bad at this strategy)

The shotgun is better for close range. Especialy a burning tank does get close and that makes the shotgun a much more effective weapon. However, noobs dont realize to NOT face the tank when they are running away and reloading. Running forward is faster than backward.
.CakeE wrote: Since the molotov nerf people have finally started to fight the tank instead of running around like headless chickens :P

Well, molotovs are still liked alot as they couse that bit of extra damage which is allways welcome. In co-op however there are indeed moments where its safer not to use a molotov due to the tank speed increase.
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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby .CakeE on Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:58 am

alias wrote:Its still more recomended to take some cover. Zigzagging only works when you practice how to do it. The plain zigzag without correct timeing will still couse the rock to hit you.


Well obviously, putting something between yourself and the big flying rock is always preferable. I just pointed out the zigzagging because people who don't have anywhere to take cover have a tendency to just stay around and hope for the best. Well, the tank got an aimbot, the best is not going to happen.


alias wrote:The shotgun is better for close range. Especialy a burning tank does get close and that makes the shotgun a much more effective weapon. However, noobs dont realize to NOT face the tank when they are running away and reloading. Running forward is faster than backward.


I disagree.

Short term the shotgun will pump out more damage, and will be able to stall the tank just as well as a M16. And then you run out of ammo and have to start reloading while the m16 users continue to spray the tank, achieving consistent damage and stalling.

The payoff for that extra close range damage burst is too small, and frankly, you shouldn't be close range to a tank anyway.

alias wrote:Well, molotovs are still liked alot as they couse that bit of extra damage which is allways welcome. In co-op however there are indeed moments where its safer not to use a molotov due to the tank speed increase.


Yeah. The trick is to know when to do what.


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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby Blissnabob on Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:28 pm

As if anyone is going to think 'Oh I best not tov the tank!'. First reaction is set that b****rd on fire!

I normally play in a group with 3 autoshotties and 1 Assault rifle. This in combination with a decoy runner (who will most likely be incapped) will drop a burning tank in just a couple of clips/reloads. It boils my piss when the team I'm playing in run from the tank in ALL situations. There are some times when a direct confrontation is necessary and by the time the tank has cornered and started beating on one of your mates, you should have drilled the tank to at least half health. Obviously there will always be situations where you must run but I wish some would evaluate more carefully (aka GROW BALLS).

I'd also like to clear up a common misconception. The autoshotty is NOT weak against the tank. It was weakened , granted, but is still the highest damage dealing weapon at just outside of tank striking range.

I agree with .cakeE, if you have time and see the tank about to throw at you simply run one way (or stand still) as he throws then sidestep or change direction when it's in mid air.
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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby .CakeE on Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:24 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF38skiuM2o&feature=related[/youtube]

Here's a quick and dirty guide on how to Cr0wn witches I found. I think it's pretty good.


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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby alias on Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:13 pm

Blissnabob wrote:As if anyone is going to think 'Oh I best not tov the tank!'. First reaction is set that b****rd on fire!

I normally play in a group with 3 autoshotties and 1 Assault rifle. This in combination with a decoy runner (who will most likely be incapped) will drop a burning tank in just a couple of clips/reloads. It boils my piss when the team I'm playing in run from the tank in ALL situations. There are some times when a direct confrontation is necessary and by the time the tank has cornered and started beating on one of your mates, you should have drilled the tank to at least half health. Obviously there will always be situations where you must run but I wish some would evaluate more carefully (aka GROW BALLS).

When everyone is on low life you cannot have a decoy runner if he is on fire. And on expert it only takes 3 hits for the tank to incap and kill a player. (1 to incap, 2 to kill him while he is incapped). So most likely you get 1 death then. But whenever 1 can function as decoy runner then burning him is indeed better.
Blissnabob wrote:I'd also like to clear up a common misconception. The autoshotty is NOT weak against the tank. It was weakened , granted, but is still the highest damage dealing weapon at just outside of tank striking range.

Well, the autoshotgun does about 100 damage and the m16 does about 45 per shot. Bots have about the same speed in shooting. but the m16 has a much faster reload and can also be used on longer range. So both are actualy even in quality. The shotgun requires a higher risk by getting close which is rewarded by being able to deal damage faster. The shottie remained my fav anyway even if it was weaker.
Blissnabob wrote:I agree with .cakeE, if you have time and see the tank about to throw at you simply run one way (or stand still) as he throws then sidestep or change direction when it's in mid air.

I know it works but many times it also fails when you havent practiced it. Getting arround a corner is better
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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby OHMYGODIMONFIRE on Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:44 pm

stay away from elmo with a loaded gun :P

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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby evil elmo on Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:46 pm

i only shot you in the butt twice stu come on thats good for me :P <3
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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby OHMYGODIMONFIRE on Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:47 pm

hehe, it was good fun last night :D

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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby alias on Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:56 pm

I added the part of the damage the infected deals. Even though i know alot of those values (many times quite accurately) i still need the values of some difficulties or have confirmation of it. The only ones im sure about are the values that arent marked with a ?

Versus has the exactly same damage as normal games. None of them have been edited! They only changed the ways that you can get extra damage like dragging or pouncing from a great distance.
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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby colossuss on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:38 am

I dont know how many times I have to say this, unless your black and white DO NOT heal before horde triggers. There is no point if your going to corner camp!

Also, auto shotguns, if a hunter has pounced your team mate and your spraying your auto shotgun you can do an awful lot of damage to your team mate. So dont do it!
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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby LuckyNV on Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:02 pm

Until they are freed, team mates huntered or smokered are actually totally invincible to Survivor bullet attacks.
However, as soon as they are freed from the grip they become prone to friendly fire again, so really if you see a survivor team mate near the troubled team mate and they are about to free them, DO NOT JOIN IN WITH THE SHOOTING.
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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby colossuss on Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:59 pm

^ Alot of the time I get pounced, hunter gets shot off straight away, and I'm down 15 hp! And thats in the indoor levels around where high pounces are possible. Such a pain!
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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby LuckyNV on Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:22 pm

You don't need high heights for pounce damage, it is very possible to achieve long distance pounces on the ground for around 8-10 damage, couple that with 1 pounced slash hit can easily mean you lose 15hp in a flash.
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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby Rikard on Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:11 pm

colossuss wrote:^ Alot of the time I get pounced, hunter gets shot off straight away, and I'm down 15 hp! And thats in the indoor levels around where high pounces are possible. Such a pain!


There's something called bunny pouncing too, where you pounce, then jump exactly as you hit the ground, the game thinks you have been airborne all the time, allowing you to do high damage pounces indoors. :P
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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby Lt Zenos on Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:58 pm

I don't know if it's been mentioned (if so i'll delete this post) but all of the survivors deal more damage with certain weapons:

L4D:
Bill - SMG & Assault Rifle
Zoey - SMG & Hunting Rifle
Louis - SMG & Assault Rifle
Francis - Pump/Auto Shotguns

L4D2:
Coach - Pump/Auto Shotguns
Ellis - Pump Shotgun & Hunting/Sniper Rifles
Nick - SMG & Assault Rifles
Rochelle - Silenced SMG & Assault Rifles

Tested with Coach Vs AI Survivors ->

His shotgun takes off three quarters of the health bar



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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby Aku on Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:47 pm

Lt Zenos wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned (if so i'll delete this post) but all of the survivors deal more damage with certain weapons:

L4D:
Bill - SMG & Assault Rifle
Zoey - SMG & Hunting Rifle
Louis - SMG & Assault Rifle
Francis - Pump/Auto Shotguns

L4D2:
Coach - Pump/Auto Shotguns
Ellis - Pump Shotgun & Hunting/Sniper Rifles
Nick - SMG & Assault Rifles
Rochelle - Silenced SMG & Assault Rifles


Those weapons are chosen by AI
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Re: Survivors Playing Tips

Postby Skjold on Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:38 pm

prefer L4d2 when fighting a witch :P So easy to kill with the strongest shotgun (Forgot name) Doesn't matter what level/niveau you're playing ^_^
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